VST Bridge - Shame on Steinberg

endercabuker · Junior Member Joined: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 74

How ya feel about that? How can you describe that thing?

You cannot use internal coded Made in Steinberg VSTBridge, it crashes nearly ALL 32bit plugins (incl. pro coded & well known Hypersonic 2,Trilogy,Stylus etc)
but we can use JBridge, An External Tiny 3rd Party Program, it works PERFECT !

And some of the users said "its very cheap, pay for it bla bla" Yes, fortunately it is cheap & J is a great programmer. But I don't care it is not my problem, it's Steinbergs problem, lets Steinberg pays for that program & add the value on it, yes that sounds better. Or find another solution, update VST Bridge, pay for the code & include it on Cubase etc I don't know.

I switched to 5 because of the 64bit support. More Ram, Great Speed with 64 bit OS, 64bit Internal FX Plugins etc.

But now THERE IS NO WAY to COMPOSE or MIX with Cubase 5 64bit. I switched back to 32bit for stability...

And I've checked all MAJOR VSTi's & FX's, can you believe some of them WORKS GREAT with VSTBridge but when you close the plugin it crashes!!! When you save the project it crashes. When you close the GUI it crashes... I want to show you its not the fault of the Plugin its the fault of the VSTBridge. But you can use the plugin with no problem, just you MUST NOT close it!!!

Folks, all I want to say is it is a BIG SHAME... Believe me I wont write that if there is no JBridge on the market & VSTBridge was the only solution.

But if a 3rd party programmer can do this why Steinberg can not do it ? And why should I pay for Steinberg's program fault.
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acs111 · New Member Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 11

I totally agree, I removed Cubase 5 64 today as I was fed up with the lag from stopping and starting a project.
Im not bothered about paying 14.99 Euro for Jbridge but I've already paid £400 for Cubase, I cant keep spending. Why dont Steinberg employ this guy.
I too have paid for a 64 bit system to make use of todays technologies I just hope steinberg can sort this out in the next upgrade.
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endercabuker · Junior Member Joined: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 74

The reason that I wrote "Shame" because Nobody from Steinberg including Moderators & Admins or a programmer looks like & feels SORRY for that HUGE problem! They make no official announcements or give information about that, it seems like "yeah VSTBridge is buggy but use Jbridge, they are both BRIDGES"
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Suprawill1 · Member Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 506 Location: USA

Chris from SB made an announcement that a bug fix will be released at the end of this month. There are several issues that they are contending with and this may be one of them. Let's wait until then to see.
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Chris Beuermann · Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject:

Hello,

bM3w · Guest

So that means VST Bridge stays as buggy and unstable as reported by many many users? Why not trying to catch up with a 15$ software (jBridge), which apparently can do better?

Mark-k · Member Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 449 Location: Hamburg

Even if one uses quadrafuzz with vst bridge or Vb-1 , everytime you just close the GUI the vst bridge connection is lost..restart cubase works but is annoying..sure i can leave it just open and hide it behind the mixer, but that solution is not really great cause sometimes you just don`t think on it and close the GUI anyway..

dont know if its same on Pc but at least on Mac ..
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yes the bridge is Mad

And there is a 64 bit version of Stylus RMX
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Chris Beuermann · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject:

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then use the 3th party program. We cannot say from our side that every plugin works.

Native 64 bit --> "everything" needs to be native 64 bit.

Gr,

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Suprawill1 · Member Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 506 Location: USA

bM3w · Guest

Hippo · Guest

"then use the 3th party program"

We all are, we have to, your solution did not work, BUT every time thatthis sort of thing happens a little faith is lost in the Steinberg brand.

Christian, have you used the 3rd party solution?

Does it work?

Does your Steinberg in house solution work as well?

What questions are you asking in house about this this?

Hippo

the_minstrel · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:03 am Post subject:

Chris,

Bitbridge even crashes Hypersonic II, for me and a lot of other users alike. Wouldn't you say this is pretty embarassing?
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LeVzi · Member Joined: 23 Apr 2009 Posts: 171

Why don't SB just ask umd (Guy who created JBridge) if they can license that to go with Cubase ? JBridge works perfectly for me, well on the plugs I have. So instead of flogging the dead horse that maybe the bridge from SB, get a bunch of licenses for Jbridge. Better still , employ him, he obviously has talent.

Also there may never be true 64bit versions of some of the plugins that we use, so waiting on that isn't always an option.

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arkiruthis · Junior Member Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 70

Agreed, VSTBridge is an utter embarassment.

I've been using 3 bit bridges, and they go like this:

jBridge - 100% of my plugins - Shame to need 2 windows (jBridge and plugin UI), but the compatibility is excellent.
Cakewalk BitBridge - 80-90% of my plugins. Some problems with NI but on the whole pretty good.
Steinberg VstBridge - 30% (that's a generous estimate) of my plugins. The Imageline range (other than Maxx Claster's) won't appear at all. VSTBridge is an absolute shocker. If an item was required by law to do what it says on the tin, then VSTBridge would have the words "half-assed attempt at bit bridging" stamped all over it. Just not good enough.

ZeroZero · Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 644 Location: St Albans

Have to agree with Hippo and others VST bridge is a shocker. I am wondering if its the same guy that designed the epxression maps tool which is also very poorly programmed. There is much to like about Cubase 5 too mind you - and its stable if you dont use VST bridge. I do understand that Cubase cant be expected to make every 32 bit app work though, but even so VST bridge is simply not worth publishing it just winds up the user base, hogs resources (when it does not crash) and wastes production time.

VST bridge and expression maps: good idea in theory Zero points for implementation IMO. Its a pity as C5 is crackingly good otherwise.

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MpVpRb · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject:

I will stay 32 bit until I can get a stable, complete, native 64 bit system.

This means all drivers and all plugs native 64 bit.

No "bridges" for me.

Anybody remember "thunks"...they were used during the 16 to 32 bit transition.
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endercabuker · Junior Member Joined: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 74

Chris Beuermann · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject:

Hello,

It is not possible that every VST Plugin works with the VST Bridge. That we can improve the VST Bridge is known. But please remember that Cubase 5 is a fully 64 Bit program, and works at best with native 64 Bit plugins.

We wrote several timesin the knowledge base and in the read me files, that you should have plan wisely.

Hippo · Guest

"so it is now up for the plugin developers"

So we can all look forward to the 64 bit versions of your own VSTi`s or versions of your Bit bit bridge that work well with your own products.

Hippo

ZeroZero · Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 644 Location: St Albans

I agree with Chris on this one, its not up to steinberg to ensure that 32 bit plugins work in 64 bit (apart from its own plugins and sometiems a rewritten improved plugin is even better so not all 32 bit plugs should be exact copies of the 32 bit apps), but an improvement in VSTbridge would be very welcome by many.
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psychosurf · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:15 am Post subject: Studio locust

It is like forgeting dat you have children?
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Chris Beuermann · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:33 am Post subject:

http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=88513
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alancheung · Member Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 202

it IS a shame.

i upgraded from C4 to C5 for better workflow and interestingly this bridge caused most problem on my workflow! if I don't rely on 3rd party software, my new machine and my RAM will surely be redundant.

I understand it is unreasonable to ask SB to guarantee ALL 32-bit plugins to work on a 64-bit platform. but the compatibility % is SO LOW that it cannot "bridge" the gap between 32-bit and 64-bit era at an acceptable level. SB should at least make a bridge that is compatible to MOST MAJOR 32 bit plugins. e.g. You can run MS Office 2003 and most major software (32-bit) perfectly on MS's Vista/Win 7 64 bit. Given that there is no trial version of C5, SB should do some work on BitBridge.

64 OSes, drivers, hosts, PCs are all ready. Even Vista/Win 7 64-bit can run C4/C5.
Now its like that if you want to use C5 64-bit to access >4Gb RAM, be prepared to scrape most of your invested 32-bit plugins and pray that your plugin developers are still alive and will make new 64-bit versions.
The truth is, many developers went out of business, or has no financial reason to develop 64 bit versions for older 32 bit plugins
The result? Customers suffer.

SB wont have incentive to improve the bridge because this is NOT a new feature and cannot be used to boast and boost new sales. C5 simply kept the same bridge from C4 as its not their priority. Am I correct?

Don't get me wrong though. I love C5. But this Bitbridge really puts SB to shame. New musicians may not bother (as they may buy new plugins which are 64 bit), but loyal customers really suffer! It is not really fair to treat loyal customers like this!
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Chris Beuermann · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:26 am Post subject:

Hello,