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JMS46
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Anyone have a recommendation for a VST or DX Tape Saturation plug-in... ala McDSP's Analog Channel or the Massey Tape Head Saturation RTAS plugs?
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elpas
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: VST Tape Saturation |
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| JMS46 wrote: | Anyone have a recommendation for a VST or DX Tape Saturation plug-in... ala McDSP's Analog Channel or the Massey Tape Head Saturation RTAS plugs?
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Check Vintage Warmer by PSP Audioware.
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For tape emulation, check out Voxengo Analogflux TapeBus
http://www.voxengo.com/product/analogflux/
I don't know if it sounds like some the particular type of tape you're looking for, but to me it's an incredibly sweet sounding plugin. I also have PSP VintageWarmer, and it has its own uses (great plugin!), but for real tape-smashing I go to the Analogflux plugin. Or actually... it's not that VintageWarmer can't smash.  But somehow the Analogflux smash has even more juice.
Both plugins have trial versions, so try them out.
While you're at it, also try out PSP MixPack which includes the MixSaturator. Sometimes that's all you need. It's also great as a kind of vintage EQ plugin.  |
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JMS46
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys.
I found Tapehead and Endorfin today, as well.
Got some things to play with.
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I personally like Magneto which comes with SX3 a lot, one of the few stand out plugins included with Cubase (along with Roomworks) - unfortunately, SE and SL users don't get these plugins...
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Magneto is good.
Voxengo's TapeBuss is even better (part of the AnalogFlux Suite)
Nomad Factory have a very good one in their essential studio bundle as well - iyt has 15 or 30 IPS, as well as valve distortions.
www.nomadfactory.com
I will also see if the tape emulation can be used on it's own in the UAD-1 emulation of the Roland RE-201 Space Echo.
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I love Voxengo's plugs.
The best thing about Magneto is that it's FREE with SX3 or Nuendo 3 etc. It's rare for Steinberg to include good plug-ins out of the box but Magneto is one of them. TO be honest, I feel a need to replace other plug-ins in cubase with alternatives more than magneto, so will probably stay with it for a while, already have 2 or 3 voxengo compressors, limiters, eq's and the like. Can't afford UAD-1 etc but Voxengo/Digital Fish Phones/ Kjaerhus etc. have replaced the need for any of Cubase's stock plug-ins for free or for a reasonable cost and improved the quality of my recordings and mixes considerably.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: |
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I can wholeheartedly recommend the VintageWarmer too. I have used it since it came out on every single project I have done.
I guess you could call it my secret mix weapon, hehe
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I agree Voxengo Tapebus is good. 
I dont know if it sound exactly like tape saturation, but it adds an nice brutal force to
eg drums.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| PSP MixSaturator here. I've taken to always processing VSTis this way - I'm not trying to emulate tape more just messing with the cleanliness of VSTis |
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Hi
Another vote for Voxengo Tape Bus and Vintage Warmer. I use Magneto sometimes too.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Play your mix through a tape deck and record it back in. NONE of the plugins above can compete with that.
Why go for imitation when you probably have the real thing lying around. |
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| GeeJayOh wrote: | Play your mix through a tape deck and record it back in. NONE of the plugins above can compete with that.
Why go for imitation when you probably have the real thing lying around. |
Any plugin beats any tape deck in speed and ease of use. And I couldn't care less about the particular sound I could get with an awkward-to-use tape deck - the Voxengo TapeBus sound is just excellent on its own. It's a good effect. It wouldn't make a difference if it was called Einstein saturation. Tape, what tape, duct tape? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| GeeJayOh wrote: | Play your mix through a tape deck and record it back in. NONE of the plugins above can compete with that.
Why go for imitation when you probably have the real thing lying around. |
Who ever in their right mind would go to lenghts to create a song in Cubase to dump it to a cassette deck to get tape warmth?
If you were talking of 2inch tape I might agree but a cassette deck?
You are unreal GJ 
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| OnkelGrusom wrote: | | GeeJayOh wrote: | Play your mix through a tape deck and record it back in. NONE of the plugins above can compete with that.
Why go for imitation when you probably have the real thing lying around. |
Who ever in their right mind would go to lenghts to create a song in Cubase to dump it to a cassette deck to get tape warmth?
If you were talking of 2inch tape I might agree but a cassette deck?
You are unreal GJ |
To be fair, I don’t think ”tape deck” necessarily implies ”cassette deck”. AFAIK any tape recorder which doesn’t have its own amplifier and speakers is referred to as a “tape deck”.
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"Who ever in their right mind would go to lenghts to create a song in Cubase to dump it to a cassette deck to get tape warmth?
If you were talking of 2inch tape I might agree but a cassette deck?
You are unreal GJ "
A tape deck doesn't actually mean a "cassette" deck.
Now you mention it though, a recent worldwide top ten album was slammed through a cassette deck. So I guess it's not that unreal then? |
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| GeeJayOh wrote: |
Now you mention it though, a recent worldwide top ten album was slammed through a cassette deck. So I guess it's not that unreal then? |
Who did that? |
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| greggybud wrote: | | GeeJayOh wrote: |
Now you mention it though, a recent worldwide top ten album was slammed through a cassette deck. So I guess it's not that unreal then? |
Who did that? |
Yeah, woh did that?
Or this another of your unverifiable "facts" GJ?
In the words of Deep Purple "you gotta learn to share your secrets, or you'll loose your soul", from the song "the unwritten law"
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| GeeJayOh wrote: | | The Go Team |
So at some point in time The Go Team had an album selling that was listed in the Billboard Top 100 albums? Radio and Records Top 100? Which album was this? And it peaked in the top 10? Im just currious.
Also, where did you get the information it was sent to cassette before mastering? Again, I'm just currious. |
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When you consider the absolutely *quiz* dynamic range on most modern albums & singles, this is not so hard to believe, sad to say.
We are in an age where all that matters (apparently) is volume.
People spend so much mone recording & mixing to produce a great sounding track, usually at 24 bits & high SR, only to see the "mastering" engineer smash ten barrels of snot out of it with multiband compressors, finalizers & overcompression/limiting to make it "sound louder, man".
With average RMS levels of -6dB getting commonplace, why is someone using a cassette deck for "tape" sound so hard to believe
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Billboard Top 100 ???
Sorry, I know little about the US charts. I'm English.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Go Team album was quite high in the US charts at some point though.
It's funny how the whole thing has reversed now. It's unbeleivable to use the real thing but using a plugin that "emulates" the real thing, innacurately, is completely acceptable. Strange.
Reminds me of the "Primark" thing. For those who don't know, Primark used to be a discount clothing store. They started copying contemporary clothes from the cat walks in Paris, London, Milan etc and selling them for a fraction of the price. People with little money could look like the stars.
Guess what?? Now the CELEBRITIES have started shopping there! The stores profits have gone through the roof and they are expanding all over the place. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Neil Wilkes wrote: | When you consider the absolutely *quiz* dynamic range on most modern albums & singles, this is not so hard to believe, sad to say.
We are in an age where all that matters (apparently) is volume.
People spend so much mone recording & mixing to produce a great sounding track, usually at 24 bits & high SR, only to see the "mastering" engineer smash ten barrels of snot out of it with multiband compressors, finalizers & overcompression/limiting to make it "sound louder, man".
With average RMS levels of -6dB getting commonplace, why is someone using a cassette deck for "tape" sound so hard to believe |
whoa there......don't put this on the "mastering" engineer. While a very few minority MEs get a rush from seeing how loud their CD can be, the vast majority have been begging and crying to anyone who will listen about lost dynamics and how everything has become insane. It may be different in Europe but in the U.S ME's are trying to educate anyone who will listen. But ultimately you do what the bill payer asks you to do. And thats the problem.
And don't blame the A&R guy either. Most MEs I run into insist its the artist or executive producer who insist on volume. The A&R people and the rest at the labels simply jump on the bandwagon. Also at the PSW forum I asked several ME's and their reply was the same. More often than not, it's the artist/band/producer/executive producer.
GeeJayOh:
Again, where did you get the information it was sent through a cassette before mastering? I ask this because I'm supprised that if it did happen, that any engineer would admit it The next question of course is the make and model of casette machine...now that will start a surge in sales of cassette players right? |
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errrr  sorry to get back on topic but how about TriTone Digital's Color Tone-Pro. Never used it but I am planning on demoing it soon. Anyone out there have a chance to use one?
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This is not a plugin, but may be interesting to try
http://www.rupertneve.com/reviews5042.html
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hi
i am using REVOXE A700 spool recorder for getting Analog feal in digital recording.-----just mix in N4---play--record in REVOXE A700 ---now play REVOXE A700 --back record in N4/WAVELAB----burn the cd thats it
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... and 5 years later, Magneto still rocks, and there are still few alternatives that are 'easy' to use.
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These plugs LOOK great, but i personally don't find them to hold up with i.e. WAVES API Collection or Slate VCC.
But then again, these are free.
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